Connection on pg 130- "The painting showed a hairless, oppressed creature with with a head like an inverted pear, its hands hands clapped in horror to its ears, its mouth open in a vast, soundless scream." Obviously, the scream painting is a good match because androids are just lonely hated creatures without a say in their judgement of death.
Musing on page 130- "Because Buffy is doing fine, as sleek as an otter. I groom and comb him ever other day." If Rick said that androids are bad at treating real life animals, why is an accused android seem to have a healthy Squirrel?
Question: How can Resch tell that his squirrel is "as sleek as an otter" if otters are extinct?
Connection, text-to-text: “As the android’s hands sank into his throat, Rick fired his regulation issue old-style pistol from its shoulder holster; the .38 magnum slug struck the android in the head and its brain box burst.” (Page 93). This passage reminded me of some of the old pulp fiction detective novels from the 1950s, with gritty, non-over the top violence. This section took me by surprise and I thought that it was very well written.
Connection, text-to-world: “’As I say, I know all the bounty hunters,’ the harness bull said, ‘and I’ve never heard of you.’ He handed Rick’s ID back to him.” (Page 107). This passage in particular struck out to me because I can feel Rick’s anxiety, because I’ve been in a similar situation when I was trying to come back into the country when my passport expired and for a small amount of time I didn’t exist.
Question: When Deckard shot Pokolov, he mentioned that his brain box burst. Does this mean that android brains are ordinary computers? And if so, couldn’t a metal detector test determine if someone is an android or not?
Response - Musing P131 : “What odds will you give? She’s flown; we won’t find her at the museum.” I found it interesting that Luba Luft actually was at the museum. I would’ve of thought that once she knew that she was being hunted she wouldn’t have continued her normal routine and tried to run as soon as possible.
Response - Musing/Connection P147: “I want to ask myself a question.” I find it interesting in books where the main character is trying to hunt something or stop something and then he finds he’s one of them. Rick is a bounty hunter who hunts androids but I find it interesting that perhaps he could be an android himself. It’s like minority report where the main character catches crimes before they happen but then he is shown going to commit a crime.
Question - Discussion Question If Rick is an android, what would he do? How would he react? Would he run?
1. pg 59 “ Pale, Rachael nodded fixedly” Musing In this part of the book Rachael just found out that she is an android. She never knew because she had false memories planted in her. This is weird because androids and people cannot tell the difference between each other with out the test. They do not even know if they are human or android. Through out the book , this causes confusion.
Pg 66 “ Don’t you own an empathy box?” Connection In this part of the book that android from mars that looks like Rachael is taking to the special. He tells the android what the empathy box is an extension of the human body. I think that this is similar to our world and the way we some people think that god is inside all of us. The empathy box is like god.
2. Does the nuclear fallout cause your brain to break down?
chapter 8 text to world “The Nexus 6 unit which operated it blew into pieces, a raging, mad wind which carried throughout the car.” There are many weird things that happen on earth but this sense is something that you would only see in movies. Today there is a lot of talk about and an something this thing happening when the world ends that another species is going to try to take over and we going to have to fight them.
chapter 12 text to movie “You’re sure not an Android? Is that really what Garland said?” This part shows how people are acting when androids try to make friend with the humans thatquestion there actions and the way they work. This remind me of the movie walle too. How the robots try to intact with the human but the human only think of the robots works to keep them happy. Which it not true. The robots have feeling about other robots and the use communication with the people too.
Passage from Book (write down) Your Response (Connection, Musing, Opinion) Pg #: 244 “Fine,” Iran said. “I want it to work perfectly. My husband is devoted to it.” She gave her address and hung up. And feeling better, fixed herself a last cup of black, hot coffee Iran is really devoted to her husband and she really cares about him. Iran is the first wife of a main character of the three books we have read so far who does more than just blindly follow society. Type of Response: opinion Pg #: 114 Rick said, “I am not an android. You can administer the Voigt-Kampff test to me; I’ve taken it before and I wont mind taking it again. But I know what the results will be.” The officer thinks that Rick could be an android. I think that either Rick is an android and is trying to avoid taking the test again so he can hide it or he really is not an android.
Type of Response: Musing
Question: Why does Iran want Rick’s toad to work perfectly?
1. “You will be required to do wrong no matter where you go. It is the basic condition of life, to be required to violate your own identity. At some time, every creature which lives must do so." (179) -Response --I like this because I like its sincerity and truth. It's an unfortunate reality and at least some grow up with the belief that they are right, and that's how our mind works, most times we are in the right until we are proven wrong, what we think is automatically a part of ourselves and when we are finally wrong it's a hard face with identity. It's fun actually, that until you learn and what influences you is where a lot of opinions and pieces of identity show up. Okay this is ranty.
2. “Maybe I'll go where I can see stars, he said to himself as the car gained velocity and altitude; it headed away from San Francisco, toward the uninhabited desolation to the north. To the place where no living thing would go. Not unless it felt that the end had come.” (227) -Response --I like how with this, well, space is big and it's filled with stars. There is SO much empty space and unknown in there that doesn't even begin to touch earthly values, and here they are going off in a high-volocity car, away from a known place on earth (what the implications much of it hold is to the reader however) and into a place that is desolated. Like space, desolated. Yet, it's not known where space actually ends. Funny.
Both clarifying and Discussion(??) Question: Have there been cases of androids questioning themselves on their own humanity? Or vise versa with humans.
“How many questions do you have to ask before you can a determination?” pg 139 Type of Response: Opinion I believe that a possible answer to this question is just 3 questions. These questions are “Do I really want this?, “Do I have what it takes?” and “Can I succeed?” The answer to all of these questions is YES! In order to be determined, you have to work hard at your goal and know that you will be able to achieve it.
“Reaction time is a factor, so answer as rapidly as you can.” Pg. 140 Type of Response: Opinion I believe that reaction time is not a factor in this Android test. The person won’t have time to think of a good answer in what they really believe in. They may change their mind after they give the answer. The people who are testing the potential android are forcing out an answer that the person might not actually believe in.
Connection to real world; Page 42 "He thought, too, about his need for a real animal; within him an actual hatred once more manifested itself toward his electric sheep, which he had to tend, had to care about, as if it lived. The tyranny of an object, he thought. It doesn't know I exist."
From the day we are born we are brought into a world full of competition. You are weighed and measured and compared to the average of billions of other children out of the womb. As you grow up you are placed into school where you are judged on how hard you work in comparison to others. When you apply to college you are judged on how well you did on a test vs the other students as well as arrest records. This passage in the book shows how often we compare ourselves to others. He is only upset with his own electric sheep once he sees the other's real animals. In fact, the whole reason he bought the electric sheep was so that he could appear wealthy to his fellow man. Even though he lives in a dystopic post nuclear fallout future he is not different than the rest of us. -Summer Grampp
Type of Response: Opinion "How many questions do you have to ask before you can make a determination? "Six or seven." Page 139 I think that this is true because before you can determine something you have to ask at least six or seven questions. Before you can say something is true you need lots and lots of information to determine whether the statement is true or not.
Clarifying question: What are the questions about and what are they going to be used for? TG
Musing: “’You know. Give me the Boneli test or the empathy scale you have. To see about me’” pg 128 This got me wondering how much trial and error it took to make the Voigt-Kampff test to always know if someone is a person or an android. I imagine along the making of the test, there was always a struggle to make the androids outsmart it until the test finally pulled ahead and was always correct. Although it seems so advanced that humans could fail the test and be killed because of it.
Musing “And Luba Luft, Rick thought to himself, ends today.” Pg 129 Its too bad that they have to kill androids even if they have an exceptional talent such as Luba Luft’s. It seems like a waste to kill someone if they bring so much pleasure and happiness to people. Maybe they could make androids to have a talent, such as an athlete, and have an androids sports league, for example.
Why don’t they create electric animals, like an electric liger or an electric lion/polar bear hybrid?
Type of Response: Connection text to self "You realize," Phil Resch said quietly, "what this would do. If we included androids in our range of empathic identification, as we do animals." Page 141 I connect this to myself because
"No one can win against kipple," Musing: The kipple represents entropy and the struggle between chaos and order.
“I love you,' Rachael said. 'If I entered a room and found a sofa covered with your hide I'd score very high on the Voigt-Kampff test.” Opinion: I don't think that would be very eloquent, but it begs the question. Which is more important, experiencing a physical sense of empathy or rationalizing relating to someone? If the latter is true than biology is not the sole ruler of empathy and androids can feel empathy too.
Why would Battlestar galactica rip a plot point directly from blade runner with androids with fake memories?
Text- Self "Kieren tapped at Captain Jone's personal com screen and scrolled down the diary entries."-137 I've done this hacked into someones email and read it, or texts on someone phone, with out them catching me.
Why does Kieren go in long lengths to protect humanity.
“You have to be with other people, he thought. In order to live at all. I mean before they came here I could stand it... But now it has changed. You can't go back, he thought. You can't go from people to nonpeople."
i agree with this because when you dont have something you dont think you need it. you might then get it and if you have the choice to live without it. if it is something like people you won’t want to lose it if you do lose it. it will be very hard to get back to life without it.
“Do you have information that there's an android in the cast? I'd be glad to help you, and if I were an android would I be glad to help you?" "An android," he said, "doesn't care what happens to another android. That's one of the indications we look for." "Then," Miss Luft said, "you must be an android.”
I think that this is partly true an andriod can care for another android. a andriod can care for an human but in this socity it is hard to find a human who cares for androids because that is how people are told to think. they are told that androids are bad that to like an android is bad.
Connection on pg 130- "The painting showed a hairless, oppressed creature with with a head like an inverted pear, its hands hands clapped in horror to its ears, its mouth open in a vast, soundless scream." Obviously, the scream painting is a good match because androids are just lonely hated creatures without a say in their judgement of death.
ReplyDeleteMusing on page 130- "Because Buffy is doing fine, as sleek as an otter. I groom and comb him ever other day." If Rick said that androids are bad at treating real life animals, why is an accused android seem to have a healthy Squirrel?
Question: How can Resch tell that his squirrel is "as sleek as an otter" if otters are extinct?
Connection, text-to-text: “As the android’s hands sank into his throat, Rick fired his regulation issue old-style pistol from its shoulder holster; the .38 magnum slug struck the android in the head and its brain box burst.” (Page 93).
ReplyDeleteThis passage reminded me of some of the old pulp fiction detective novels from the 1950s, with gritty, non-over the top violence. This section took me by surprise and I thought that it was very well written.
Connection, text-to-world: “’As I say, I know all the bounty hunters,’ the harness bull said, ‘and I’ve never heard of you.’ He handed Rick’s ID back to him.” (Page 107).
This passage in particular struck out to me because I can feel Rick’s anxiety, because I’ve been in a similar situation when I was trying to come back into the country when my passport expired and for a small amount of time I didn’t exist.
Question: When Deckard shot Pokolov, he mentioned that his brain box burst. Does this mean that android brains are ordinary computers? And if so, couldn’t a metal detector test determine if someone is an android or not?
Response - Musing
ReplyDeleteP131 : “What odds will you give? She’s flown; we won’t find her at the museum.”
I found it interesting that Luba Luft actually was at the museum. I would’ve of thought that once she knew that she was being hunted she wouldn’t have continued her normal routine and tried to run as soon as possible.
Response - Musing/Connection
P147: “I want to ask myself a question.”
I find it interesting in books where the main character is trying to hunt something or stop something and then he finds he’s one of them. Rick is a bounty hunter who hunts androids but I find it interesting that perhaps he could be an android himself. It’s like minority report where the main character catches crimes before they happen but then he is shown going to commit a crime.
Question - Discussion Question
If Rick is an android, what would he do? How would he react? Would he run?
-Daniel Phan
RWR
ReplyDelete1. pg 59 “ Pale, Rachael nodded fixedly”
Musing
In this part of the book Rachael just found out that she is an android. She never knew because she had false memories planted in her. This is weird because androids and people cannot tell the difference between each other with out the test. They do not even know if they are human or android. Through out the book , this causes confusion.
Pg 66 “ Don’t you own an empathy box?”
Connection
In this part of the book that android from mars that looks like Rachael is taking to the special. He tells the android what the empathy box is an extension of the human body. I think that this is similar to our world and the way we some people think that god is inside all of us. The empathy box is like god.
2. Does the nuclear fallout cause your brain to break down?
chapter 8 text to world
ReplyDelete“The Nexus 6 unit which operated it blew into pieces, a raging, mad wind which carried throughout the car.” There are many weird things that happen on earth but this sense is something that you would only see in movies. Today there is a lot of talk about and an something this thing happening when the world ends that another species is going to try to take over and we going to have to fight them.
chapter 12 text to movie
“You’re sure not an Android? Is that really what Garland said?” This part shows how people are acting when androids try to make friend with the humans thatquestion there actions and the way they work. This remind me of the movie walle too. How the robots try to intact with the human but the human only think of the robots works to keep them happy. Which it not true. The robots have feeling about other robots and the use communication with the people too.
Ashley Elder
Passage from Book (write down) Your Response (Connection, Musing, Opinion)
ReplyDeletePg #: 244
“Fine,” Iran said. “I want it to work perfectly. My husband is devoted to it.” She gave her address and hung up. And feeling better, fixed herself a last cup of black, hot coffee
Iran is really devoted to her husband and she really cares about him. Iran is the first wife of a main character of the three books we have read so far who does more than just blindly follow society.
Type of Response: opinion
Pg #: 114
Rick said, “I am not an android. You can administer the Voigt-Kampff test to me; I’ve taken it before and I wont mind taking it again. But I know what the results will be.”
The officer thinks that Rick could be an android. I think that either Rick is an android and is trying to avoid taking the test again so he can hide it or he really is not an android.
Type of Response: Musing
Question: Why does Iran want Rick’s toad to work perfectly?
Dena Schertzer
1. “You will be required to do wrong no matter where you go. It is the basic condition of life, to be required to violate your own identity. At some time, every creature which lives must do so." (179) -Response
ReplyDelete--I like this because I like its sincerity and truth. It's an unfortunate reality and at least some grow up with the belief that they are right, and that's how our mind works, most times we are in the right until we are proven wrong, what we think is automatically a part of ourselves and when we are finally wrong it's a hard face with identity. It's fun actually, that until you learn and what influences you is where a lot of opinions and pieces of identity show up. Okay this is ranty.
2. “Maybe I'll go where I can see stars, he said to himself as the car gained velocity and altitude; it headed away from San Francisco, toward the uninhabited desolation to the north. To the place where no living thing would go. Not unless it felt that the end had come.” (227) -Response
--I like how with this, well, space is big and it's filled with stars. There is SO much empty space and unknown in there that doesn't even begin to touch earthly values, and here they are going off in a high-volocity car, away from a known place on earth (what the implications much of it hold is to the reader however) and into a place that is desolated. Like space, desolated. Yet, it's not known where space actually ends. Funny.
Both clarifying and Discussion(??) Question: Have there been cases of androids questioning themselves on their own humanity? Or vise versa with humans.
“How many questions do you have to ask before you can a determination?” pg 139
ReplyDeleteType of Response: Opinion
I believe that a possible answer to this question is just 3 questions. These questions are “Do I really want this?, “Do I have what it takes?” and “Can I succeed?” The answer to all of these questions is YES! In order to be determined, you have to work hard at your goal and know that you will be able to achieve it.
“Reaction time is a factor, so answer as rapidly as you can.” Pg. 140
Type of Response: Opinion
I believe that reaction time is not a factor in this Android test. The person won’t have time to think of a good answer in what they really believe in. They may change their mind after they give the answer. The people who are testing the potential android are forcing out an answer that the person might not actually believe in.
Connection to real world;
ReplyDeletePage 42 "He thought, too, about his need for a real animal; within him an actual hatred once more manifested itself toward his electric sheep, which he had to tend, had to care about, as if it lived. The tyranny of an object, he thought. It doesn't know I exist."
From the day we are born we are brought into a world full of competition. You are weighed and measured and compared to the average of billions of other children out of the womb. As you grow up you are placed into school where you are judged on how hard you work in comparison to others. When you apply to college you are judged on how well you did on a test vs the other students as well as arrest records.
This passage in the book shows how often we compare ourselves to others. He is only upset with his own electric sheep once he sees the other's real animals. In fact, the whole reason he bought the electric sheep was so that he could appear wealthy to his fellow man.
Even though he lives in a dystopic post nuclear fallout future he is not different than the rest of us.
-Summer Grampp
Type of Response: Opinion
ReplyDelete"How many questions do you have to ask before you can make a determination? "Six or seven." Page 139
I think that this is true because before you can determine something you have to ask at least six or seven questions. Before you can say something is true you need lots and lots of information to determine whether the statement is true or not.
Clarifying question: What are the questions about and what are they going to be used for?
TG
Musing: “’You know. Give me the Boneli test or the empathy scale you have. To see about me’” pg 128
ReplyDeleteThis got me wondering how much trial and error it took to make the Voigt-Kampff test to always know if someone is a person or an android. I imagine along the making of the test, there was always a struggle to make the androids outsmart it until the test finally pulled ahead and was always correct. Although it seems so advanced that humans could fail the test and be killed because of it.
Musing “And Luba Luft, Rick thought to himself, ends today.” Pg 129
Its too bad that they have to kill androids even if they have an exceptional talent such as Luba Luft’s. It seems like a waste to kill someone if they bring so much pleasure and happiness to people. Maybe they could make androids to have a talent, such as an athlete, and have an androids sports league, for example.
Why don’t they create electric animals, like an electric liger or an electric lion/polar bear hybrid?
Type of Response: Connection text to self
ReplyDelete"You realize," Phil Resch said quietly, "what this would do. If we included androids in our range of empathic identification, as we do animals." Page 141
I connect this to myself because
I connect this to myself because I think that we should include animals into our lives because they teach us responsibility.
Delete"No one can win against kipple,"
ReplyDeleteMusing: The kipple represents entropy and the struggle between chaos and order.
“I love you,' Rachael said. 'If I entered a room and found a sofa covered with your hide I'd score very high on the Voigt-Kampff test.”
Opinion: I don't think that would be very eloquent, but it begs the question. Which is more important, experiencing a physical sense of empathy or rationalizing relating to someone? If the latter is true than biology is not the sole ruler of empathy and androids can feel empathy too.
Why would Battlestar galactica rip a plot point directly from blade runner with androids with fake memories?
Text- Self
ReplyDelete"Kieren tapped at Captain Jone's personal com screen and scrolled down the diary entries."-137
I've done this hacked into someones email and read it, or texts on someone phone, with out them catching me.
Why does Kieren go in long lengths to protect humanity.
“You have to be with other people, he thought. In order to live at all. I mean before they came here I could stand it... But now it has changed. You can't go back, he thought. You can't go from people to nonpeople."
ReplyDeletei agree with this because when you dont have something you dont think you need it. you might then get it and if you have the choice to live without it. if it is something like people you won’t want to lose it if you do lose it. it will be very hard to get back to life without it.
“Do you have information that there's an android in the cast? I'd be glad to help you, and if I were an android would I be glad to help you?"
"An android," he said, "doesn't care what happens to another android. That's one of the indications we look for."
"Then," Miss Luft said, "you must be an android.”
I think that this is partly true an andriod can care for another android. a andriod can care for an human but in this socity it is hard to find a human who cares for androids because that is how people are told to think. they are told that androids are bad that to like an android is bad.