Passage from Book (write down) Your Response (Connection, Musing, Opinion) Pg #: 143 'No!' broke in Julia. It appeared to Winston that a long time passed before he answered. For a moment he seemed even to have been deprived of the power of speech. His tongue worked soundlessly, forming the opening syllables first of one word, then of the other, over and over again. Until he had said it, he did not know which word he was going to say. 'No,' he said finally. When asked if they are prepared to be separated and maybe never see each other again Julia says no instantly. Winston however takes time to think about what he is saying but in the end he also says no. Despite wanting to go against Big Brother and join the Brotherhood both Julia and Winston don’t want to separate. It seems weird that Julia and Winston are prepared to do so many other horrible things like hurt children, betray their country and commit suicide but when it comes to leaving each other they both are not prepared to do that. Type of Response: musing Pg #: 152 Winston stopped reading, chiefly in order to appreciate the fact that he was reading, in comfort and safety. He was alone: no telescreen, no ear at the keyhole, no nervous impulse to glance over his shoulder or cover the page with his hand. The sweet summer air played against his cheek. From somewhere far away there floated the faint shouts of children: in the room itself there was no sound except the insect voice of the clock. He settled deeper into the arm-chair and put his feet up on the fender. It was bliss, it was eternity. Suddenly, as one sometimes does with a book of which one knows that one will ultimately read and re-read every word, he opened it at a different place and found himself at Chapter III. Winston is reading and this time he has no fear of being watched by anyone and he is at peace. I think it is better to read when I am not being watched by anyone. Like Winston I am usually in heaven and am very happy when I am somewhere peaceful reading a book.
Type of Response: connection
Question: Why is Winston so happy that O’Brien knew the last line to the rhyme?
Joshua Wallce 1.pg 86 “He opens his diary” Musing I find it weird in 1984 that ever often that he opens his diary to write something down. This just further incriminates him. Also he was expecting O'Brien to find it. If he doesn’t know the guy, how is he going to get the diary? This confuses me because has been very careful in the past. However, he slips his judgement for the diary.
pg 75 “May I offer you a drink?” Opinion This quote is when when Winston Smith follows the old man into the bar to find out about the past. Winston is annoyed and confused when the man has no useful information. I think that loss your memory so fast mean that you have so disease. However, there is no disease located when Winston is talking to him. This is not right and weird.
2.Why does the old man not remember anything important?
Connection on pg 142: "'You are prepared to commit murder?' 'Yes.' 'To commit acts of sabotage which may cause the death of hundreds of innocent people?' 'Yes' 'To betray your country to foreign powers' 'Yes.'" The fact that Winston joins a small group of people against the government makes it similar to Fahrenheit 451.
Muse on pg 147: "'Did you ever happen to hear an old rhyme that begins Oranges and lemons say the bells of St. Clement's?' Again O'Brien nodded. With a sort of grave courtesy he completed the Stanza:" this brings me the question: How much do they know about the olden days that got censored?
Clarifying question: How do cults meant to destroy the government, that monitors everything, get started without notice?
pg.164 opinion " Barton Snode finished his sentence in a husky whisper."You mean... the mayor is stealing?" I think when this happened in the book it should have not just been Doon and Lina that was suprized. The guards should have been suprized to because they were standing right out side of the room. Also I thought that is was weird that Lina and Doom could get in to that room without the guards noticing them.
pg 119 text to self "He got up and wandered restlessly around the library. Sometimes you could find useful things just by choosing randomly from the shelves." I believe that this quote for the book is very true. When you are having a hard time trying to find informations its best to look around and then there will be more information by looking around that you can go off of.
Question:How could the guards not notice that the mayor was stealing?
Response - Musing P140: “Yes, everything is turned off. We are alone.” I found it interesting how O’Brien had the ability to turn off his telescreen. I would think that the government would monitor everything. I thought about the possibility that although O’Brien thought that it was turned off, it really wasn’t.
Response - Musing P145: “You will work for a while, you will be caught, you will confess, and then you will die.” From the questions and what O’Brien told Winston, joining the brotherhood doesn’t seem like that great a place. The brotherhood doesn’t help each other and it’s kinda expected that you’ll eventually be caught.
Question - Discussion Question How did the brotherhood get started?
Musing: PG 90: "'I love you.' For several seconds he was too stunned to even throw the incriminating thing into the memory hole."
It seems very silly that they aren't allowed to love one another and make those feelings known, it seems very harmless. I don't see how banning love came about.
Musing: It's a little funny how the Ministry of Love plans the Hate, the Ministry of Plenty plans economic shortages and the Ministry of Peace plans wars. It's ironic and somewhat humorous that Orwell would name those the way he did in such a dystopic society.
Question: What is the back story behind the Earth becoming the way it is now with the regions and airstrips?
pg 1: "They must not leave the city for at least two hundred years,' said the chief builder. "Or perhaps two hundred and twenty"
Opinion: I really like this quote because it leads the reader into question about what is in the lockup safe and if it has anything to do with getting out of the city. Assuming that this is the key to the way out of ember, I don't think it was a good idea to put it in the box. They should have thought about the future mayors and the idea of the possibility of them messing it up.
Musing: While I was reading the book I thought about our world and how we were also lacking in resources like trees which is one of the causes of global warming. In the City of Ember, they are lacking lightbulbs, electricity and food. That is what is killing them right now and they are trying to find a way out of it.
I forgot to add the quote to the second paragraph so here is the quote... "The storerooms held supplies of every kind--canned food, clothes, furniture, blankets, lightbulbs, medicine, pots and pans, reams of paper, soap and more lightbulbs--everything the people in ember could possibly need."
Connection from text to world. Page 8: "He took a cigarette from a crumpled packet marked VICTORY CIGARETTES and incautiously held it upright, whereupon the tobacco fell out onto the floor." This moment in 1984 reminds me of some instances in other socialist countries such as Soviet Russia or early Communist China, where the government produced goods are of poor quality, such as the cigarettes in Airstrip One.
Musing, page 19. "His pen had slid voluptuously over the smooth paper, printing in neat capitals- DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER..." In my opinion, it seems that the urge that caused him to write those words were the frustration of being oppressed for so long.
Question: Are the thought police members of the outer or inner party?
Musing Page 25: "It was almost normal for people over thirty to be afraid of their children." It would seem parental indoctrination is preferable to the state-imposed variety.
Musing Page 90: "He drew the next batch of work toward him, with the scrap or paper on top of it. He flattened it out." The party has tele-screens every ten feet yet they can't use zoom?!
Why would the members of the lower party have children that will betray their slightest unorthodoxy when the party itself disapproves of natural procreation?
"He was a hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia, since when Oceania was at war with one of these powers it was generally at peace with the other."
This makes me wonder why all the countries are always at war. The book never says why. I think that if the other countries are not like Oceania then they may be at war for that reason. Also if both countries(Eurasia and Eastasia) don’t like Oceania then why don’t they ally and fight Oceania.
“On it was written, in a large unformed handwriting I love you.”
They have never talked to each other before this there is no way that Julia can possibly know she loves Winston. For Winston it make very little sense as just pages earlier he want to bash her head in. the only way this makes any sense is if Julia has had a secret crush on him since forever. We also read earlier that Winston might only hate her because he cant have her. This makes it only slightly more possible.
Text- Another book Look at Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 This book flips between characters chapter by chapter, just like the book Flipped by Wendelin Van Draanen. This switches between Doon and Lina's perspectives and in Flipped it switches between Bryce and Julie.
Question: Why would the Author pick this style of writing?
Jake reflects: Pg 154. "I've already tased peaches applesauce and a thing called fruit cocktail... All that? Said lizzy" - This whole paragraph reminds me how lucky we are today and how easy life is compared to other civilisations. Lizzy and Lina talk about canned food wich is not an item that we would consider exotic or "fancy" it's just another every day item. Pg 156. "For a long moment, Doon stood as still as a statue...it swung inward without a sound - this paragraph reminds me of how I have to be quiet when people are sleeping and just how hard it can be and also how every little thing makes a big noise when the house is quiet Why did the builders of the city of ember decide to build it underground and not on a mountain or outer space ?
“War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” (8) I love the irony in this, and how we often associate the opposite with what each of these terms mean. It gives a nice little dystopic reminder to us that what their social values may be definitely do not match up to ours as we know it, and how much the government is trying to control how we percieve a situation. It's good, as a government decision, to keep a population ignorant because there we wont rebel because we don't know. It is strength for the government. This quote is kind of twisted into what the government idolizes: if the population is more free, the more as slaves the government becomes to cater to their whims. Peace comes in war depending on which side is beneficial and who is fighting. (opinion)
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” (215) As written by someone from 1948, this is interestingly thought of for someone considering the future, though it makes a bit of sense considering the war that had just ended. I don't know if he was talking about this in a literal sense or if he meant it figuritively and symbolically. Symbollically I can see how it relates to our today (the author's future), becuase we do not live our lives without something holding us and repressing us from anything. This may be something we overcome, or may not, but in the society we live and breed and die in, we have social expectations and opressions held on almost all of us. It may not be called into our attention, but when it is it almost feels like anything is a constant reminder, like a boot stamping your face constantly. (musing)
Discussion Question: My question is how is stuff like homosexuality or transgenderism treated in this society? Surely since sexual desires are repressed that it isn't looked highly upon or even touched.
Taylor G: Page 150 "Looper explores the storerooms. He goes into every room that isn't locked. He wants to know the true situation, Lina. He's not like most workers, who just plod along doing their jobs and then go home. He wants to find things out." This paragraph reminds me when I was little, every time I saw a doorknob I would open it and find out what's inside. (connection) Question: Why did the author make Looper curious to find things out?
Summer G: Page 134 "'Did we find it?" she asked Lina. 'Did we ever find it?' 'Find what, Granny?' 'The thing that was lost,' Granny said. 'The old thing my grandfather lost...'" Question: Was the piece of paper in the fancy box not what the Grandmother was so frantic about before her death?
Passage from Book (write down) Your Response (Connection, Musing, Opinion)
ReplyDeletePg #: 143
'No!' broke in Julia. It appeared to Winston that a long time passed before he answered. For a moment he seemed even to have been deprived of the power of speech. His tongue worked soundlessly, forming the opening syllables first of one word, then of the other, over and over again. Until he had said it, he did not know which word he was going to say. 'No,' he said finally. When asked if they are prepared to be separated and maybe never see each other again Julia says no instantly. Winston however takes time to think about what he is saying but in the end he also says no. Despite wanting to go against Big Brother and join the Brotherhood both Julia and Winston don’t want to separate. It seems weird that Julia and Winston are prepared to do so many other horrible things like hurt children, betray their country and commit suicide but when it comes to leaving each other they both are not prepared to do that.
Type of Response: musing
Pg #: 152
Winston stopped reading, chiefly in order to appreciate the fact that he was reading, in comfort and safety. He was alone: no telescreen, no ear at the keyhole, no nervous impulse to glance over his shoulder or cover the page with his hand. The sweet summer air played against his cheek. From somewhere far away there floated the faint shouts of children: in the room itself there was no sound except the insect voice of the clock. He settled deeper into the arm-chair and put his feet up on the fender. It was bliss, it was eternity. Suddenly, as one sometimes does with a book of which one knows that one will ultimately read and re-read every word, he opened it at a different place and found himself at Chapter III. Winston is reading and this time he has no fear of being watched by anyone and he is at peace. I think it is better to read when I am not being watched by anyone. Like Winston I am usually in heaven and am very happy when I am somewhere peaceful reading a book.
Type of Response: connection
Question: Why is Winston so happy that O’Brien knew the last line to the rhyme?
Joshua Wallce
ReplyDelete1.pg 86 “He opens his diary”
Musing
I find it weird in 1984 that ever often that he opens his diary to write something down. This just further incriminates him. Also he was expecting O'Brien to find it. If he doesn’t know the guy, how is he going to get the diary? This confuses me because has been very careful in the past. However, he slips his judgement for the diary.
pg 75 “May I offer you a drink?”
Opinion
This quote is when when Winston Smith follows the old man into the bar to find out about the past. Winston is annoyed and confused when the man has no useful information. I think that loss your memory so fast mean that you have so disease. However, there is no disease located when Winston is talking to him. This is not right and weird.
2.Why does the old man not remember anything important?
Connection on pg 142: "'You are prepared to commit murder?' 'Yes.' 'To commit acts of sabotage which may cause the death of hundreds of innocent people?' 'Yes' 'To betray your country to foreign powers' 'Yes.'" The fact that Winston joins a small group of people against the government makes it similar to Fahrenheit 451.
ReplyDeleteMuse on pg 147: "'Did you ever happen to hear an old rhyme that begins Oranges and lemons say the bells of St. Clement's?' Again O'Brien nodded. With a sort of grave courtesy he completed the Stanza:" this brings me the question: How much do they know about the olden days that got censored?
Clarifying question: How do cults meant to destroy the government, that monitors everything, get started without notice?
pg.164
ReplyDeleteopinion
" Barton Snode finished his sentence in a husky whisper."You mean... the mayor is stealing?"
I think when this happened in the book it should have not just been Doon and Lina that was suprized. The guards should have been suprized to because they were standing right out side of the room. Also I thought that is was weird that Lina and Doom could get in to that room without the guards noticing them.
pg 119
text to self
"He got up and wandered restlessly around the library. Sometimes you could find useful things just by choosing randomly from the shelves."
I believe that this quote for the book is very true. When you are having a hard time trying to find informations its best to look around and then there will be more information by looking around that you can go off of.
Question:How could the guards not notice that the mayor was stealing?
Response - Musing
ReplyDeleteP140: “Yes, everything is turned off. We are alone.”
I found it interesting how O’Brien had the ability to turn off his telescreen. I would think that the government would monitor everything. I thought about the possibility that although O’Brien thought that it was turned off, it really wasn’t.
Response - Musing
P145: “You will work for a while, you will be caught, you will confess, and then you will die.”
From the questions and what O’Brien told Winston, joining the brotherhood doesn’t seem like that great a place. The brotherhood doesn’t help each other and it’s kinda expected that you’ll eventually be caught.
Question - Discussion Question
How did the brotherhood get started?
-Daniel Phan
Musing:
ReplyDeletePG 90: "'I love you.' For several seconds he was too stunned to even throw the incriminating thing into the memory hole."
It seems very silly that they aren't allowed to love one another and make those feelings known, it seems very harmless. I don't see how banning love came about.
Musing:
It's a little funny how the Ministry of Love plans the Hate, the Ministry of Plenty plans economic shortages and the Ministry of Peace plans wars. It's ironic and somewhat humorous that Orwell would name those the way he did in such a dystopic society.
Question:
What is the back story behind the Earth becoming the way it is now with the regions and airstrips?
pg 1: "They must not leave the city for at least two hundred years,' said the chief builder. "Or perhaps two hundred and twenty"
ReplyDeleteOpinion: I really like this quote because it leads the reader into question about what is in the lockup safe and if it has anything to do with getting out of the city. Assuming that this is the key to the way out of ember, I don't think it was a good idea to put it in the box. They should have thought about the future mayors and the idea of the possibility of them messing it up.
Musing: While I was reading the book I thought about our world and how we were also lacking in resources like trees which is one of the causes of global warming. In the City of Ember, they are lacking lightbulbs, electricity and food. That is what is killing them right now and they are trying to find a way out of it.
I forgot to add the quote to the second paragraph so here is the quote... "The storerooms held supplies of every kind--canned food, clothes, furniture, blankets, lightbulbs, medicine, pots and pans, reams of paper, soap and more lightbulbs--everything the people in ember could possibly need."
DeleteConnection from text to world. Page 8: "He took a cigarette from a crumpled packet marked VICTORY CIGARETTES and incautiously held it upright, whereupon the tobacco fell out onto the floor."
ReplyDeleteThis moment in 1984 reminds me of some instances in other socialist countries such as Soviet Russia or early Communist China, where the government produced goods are of poor quality, such as the cigarettes in Airstrip One.
Musing, page 19. "His pen had slid voluptuously over the smooth paper, printing in neat capitals-
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER..."
In my opinion, it seems that the urge that caused him to write those words were the frustration of being oppressed for so long.
Question: Are the thought police members of the outer or inner party?
Musing Page 25: "It was almost normal for people over thirty to be afraid of their children." It would seem parental indoctrination is preferable to the state-imposed variety.
ReplyDeleteMusing Page 90: "He drew the next batch of work toward him, with the scrap or paper on top of it. He flattened it out." The party has tele-screens every ten feet yet they can't use zoom?!
Why would the members of the lower party have children that will betray their slightest unorthodoxy when the party itself disapproves of natural procreation?
"He was a hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia, since when Oceania was at war with one of these powers it was generally at peace with the other."
ReplyDeleteP.15
DeleteThis makes me wonder why all the countries are always at war. The book never says why. I think that if the other countries are not like Oceania then they may be at war for that reason. Also if both countries(Eurasia and Eastasia) don’t like Oceania then why don’t they ally and fight Oceania.
“On it was written, in a large unformed handwriting I love you.”
They have never talked to each other before this there is no way that Julia can possibly know she loves Winston. For Winston it make very little sense as just pages earlier he want to bash her head in. the only way this makes any sense is if Julia has had a secret crush on him since forever. We also read earlier that Winston might only hate her because he cant have her. This makes it only slightly more possible.
Text- Another book
ReplyDeleteLook at Chapter 1 and Chapter 2
This book flips between characters chapter by chapter, just like the book Flipped by Wendelin Van Draanen. This switches between Doon and Lina's perspectives and in Flipped it switches between Bryce and Julie.
Question:
Why would the Author pick this style of writing?
Jake reflects:
ReplyDeletePg 154. "I've already tased peaches applesauce and a thing called fruit cocktail... All that? Said lizzy" - This whole paragraph reminds me how lucky we are today and how easy life is compared to other civilisations. Lizzy and Lina talk about canned food wich is not an item that we would consider exotic or "fancy" it's just another every day item.
Pg 156. "For a long moment, Doon stood as still as a statue...it swung inward without a sound - this paragraph reminds me of how I have to be quiet when people are sleeping and just how hard it can be and also how every little thing makes a big noise when the house is quiet
Why did the builders of the city of ember decide to build it underground and not on a mountain or outer space ?
“War is peace.
ReplyDeleteFreedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.” (8)
I love the irony in this, and how we often associate the opposite with what each of these terms mean. It gives a nice little dystopic reminder to us that what their social values may be definitely do not match up to ours as we know it, and how much the government is trying to control how we percieve a situation. It's good, as a government decision, to keep a population ignorant because there we wont rebel because we don't know. It is strength for the government. This quote is kind of twisted into what the government idolizes: if the population is more free, the more as slaves the government becomes to cater to their whims. Peace comes in war depending on which side is beneficial and who is fighting. (opinion)
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” (215)
As written by someone from 1948, this is interestingly thought of for someone considering the future, though it makes a bit of sense considering the war that had just ended. I don't know if he was talking about this in a literal sense or if he meant it figuritively and symbolically. Symbollically I can see how it relates to our today (the author's future), becuase we do not live our lives without something holding us and repressing us from anything. This may be something we overcome, or may not, but in the society we live and breed and die in, we have social expectations and opressions held on almost all of us. It may not be called into our attention, but when it is it almost feels like anything is a constant reminder, like a boot stamping your face constantly. (musing)
Discussion Question:
My question is how is stuff like homosexuality or transgenderism treated in this society? Surely since sexual desires are repressed that it isn't looked highly upon or even touched.
Taylor G:
ReplyDeletePage 150
"Looper explores the storerooms. He goes into every room that isn't locked. He wants to know the true situation, Lina. He's not like most workers, who just plod along doing their jobs and then go home. He wants to find things out."
This paragraph reminds me when I was little, every time I saw a doorknob I would open it and find out what's inside. (connection)
Question: Why did the author make Looper curious to find things out?
Summer G:
ReplyDeletePage 134
"'Did we find it?" she asked Lina. 'Did we ever find it?'
'Find what, Granny?'
'The thing that was lost,' Granny said. 'The old thing my grandfather lost...'"
Question: Was the piece of paper in the fancy box not what the Grandmother was so frantic about before her death?
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