I'm not too sure how to do this but the APW said it's a connection or reaction to something in the book so here I go...
pg. 89: I do agree that "Those that do not build must burn" because if you don't build or burn, your life would feel empty and have no purpose (89). However, it makes me wonder if Faber got the from a book or made it up on the spot.
I think that some of the items the author described in the story such as headphones weren't invented yet when he wrote it. Also, the authorities in the book discourage creative thought and so everyone becomes very boring. Or, maybe that was the goal behind the burning of books. Why doesn't Guy divorce Mildred if he thinks she is so boring and transparent?
Passage from Book (write down) Your Response (Connection, Musing, Opinion) Pg #: 68 The woman knelt among the books, touching the drenched leather and cardboard, reading the gilt titles with her fingers while her eyes accused Montag. "You can't ever have my books," she said. "You know the law," said Beatty. "Where's your common sense? None of those books agree with each other. You've been locked up here for years with a regular damned Tower of Babel. Snap out of it! The people in those books never lived. Come on now! " I probably would have been doing something similar had the firemen come to burn down my house. I would not be as hysterical as the woman is but I do love all my books and would not want anyone to harm them. If the firemen came for my books and house I would probably attempt to stand my ground but I would probably give in and leave my house. I would not let myself die with my books.
Type of Response: Connection Pg #: 96 "That woman, the other night, Millie, you weren't there. You didn't see her face. And Clarisse. You never talked to her. I talked to her. And men like Beatty are afraid of her. I can't understand it. Why should they be so afraid of someone like her? But I kept putting her alongside the firemen in the house last night, and I suddenly realized I didn't like them at all, and I didn't like myself at all any more. And I thought maybe it would be best if the firemen themselves were burnt." I think that the firemen are afraid of people like Clarisse because they are afraid that people who can think for themselves and people who do not follow all rules have the power to go against the society and try and bring life back the way things were before. Guy begins to realize that life might be better if the firemen are taken down. He is finally starting to think for himself and not just doing what he is told to do.
Type of Response: Musing
One Question: If someone came to the school and said that we had to burn all books and were no longer allowed to read would you try and save any books before they are burned and risk getting in trouble or would you let the people burn the books? Type of Question: (Clarifying or Discussion) Discussion
Response - Musing/Opinion P162: “City looks like a heap of baking powder. It’s gone.” I didn’t really like the ending that much. Or at least it wasn’t what I expected. I didn’t expect that the city would just get destroyed. I though that it would turn out like Montag had hoped, that the city would read books again. However, I guess that perhaps the city could be rebuild and a new society could be built, one that allows the use of books.
Response - Musing P159: “And Mildred... Get out, run!” (p159) I thought that it was interesting how Montag still thought of Mildred. Before he said that he didn’t really care what happened to her. And she didn’t seem to be on his side for the book situation.
Question - Discussion Question What do you think would happen to the society if it were rebuilt? Would books be allowed or would things be the same as before?
I wanted to know, why does the author describe everything so strangely? It took me about half the book to realize whenever he talked about "parlor" or "family" that he meant the television. And at one point in the book he describes Mildred as listening to the humming seashells or something like that, and I still have no idea what that means considering that in this time period headphones weren't invented yet. Is this to make Montag seem a little bit disconnected from the rest of society and technology, is it because that's what society calls it, or is that because he doesn't understand it? I'm really confused.
Response (connection text to world): “Behind him now twenty-million silently baying Hounds, ricocheted across parlors, three cushions shooting from right wall to center wall to left wall, gone, right wall, center wall, left wall, gone!” Page 138. This passage reminds me a lot of shows such as America’s Most Wanted or when a news channel covers live footage of a manhunt. While it is informative and may help with apprehending the criminal, I think that it serves the same purpose in our world as it does in Montag’s world, as a form of pro-compliance propaganda.
Response: (musing) ”Police suggest entire population in the elm terrace area do as follows: Everyone in every house in every street open a front or rear door or look from the windows. The fugitive cannot escape if everyone in the next minute looks from the house. Ready!” This passage made me think that the interactive abilities of the parlor were designed by the government to subliminally train its citizens to comply in a situation like this. They get to feel special about being part of an important process without having to do much.
Question (clarifying): Did the authorities of the city Montag lived in know that the city would be attacked? If so, why didn’t they do anything to stop it? -Vincent Moore
Response (Connection text- self) Page 18 "Milred watched the toast delivered to her plate." This reminds me of when I was a little lad my mom would bring toast to me, even if I said I wasn't hungry. Response (Musing) Page 3 " it was a special pleasure to see things eaten, to see things blackened and changed." When I first read this opening line into the book I just find it amusing that in just that sentence it explains what the book will be like. Most intro lines I've read were very like setting the scene or in the middle of a scene. I thought it was cool that it was different.
Question: Why would Montag stay with Mildred after the suicide attempts?
pg.124 "yes, he thought where am I running?" text to self When I going I need to set a goal to where I am running or where I am going at this point of the book Montag did not know where he was going.
Pg 129 "HE touched the screener in back found it open, slipped in, moved across the porch listening." text to self When by brother or sister trying to sneak out of the house this is the image that comes in to my mind, they are always so quiet and never get caught.
One question How many people did Montag kill in the fire? How are the cops able to trace montags trail?
pg.25 Connection Montag admits that he is highly disturbed by the firemen loosing the mechanical hound on animals, yet he does nothing. Instead "Montag stayed upstairs most nights when this went on." This is a possible metaphor for the societal apathy that would have been required for the government to have removed the books and intellectuals in a Stalinist manner.
pg.164 Opinion "Montag began walking and after a moment found that the others had fallen in behind him... He was surprised, and moved aside to let Granger pass, but Granger looked at him and nodded him on. Montag went ahead." Only those who would move away from power should ever have it. It is the lasting legacy of President George Washington that only one president has ever served for more than two terms and others have followed Washington's example and declined to run a third time.This has been true even of those who, like Washington, might have ruled for life.
Discussion question: Were the people happier and more content than clarisse, granger, faber, montag,and all those who had embraced intellectualism?
1. "He walked on the track. And he was surprised to learn how certain he suddenly was of a single fact he could not prove. Once, long ago, Clarisse had walked here, where he was walking now." (145) I feel like this shows how much Montag misses Clarisse, and shows the affect she had on him. She was a different variable to the equation. She somewhat showed him that there was still hope that humans could commincate based off on non-superficial material, unknownst to him at that time. Clarisse was strange, she asked a lot of questions and didn't fit in with the normality of that society, which is okay, personally I don't find that society all too pleasant to conform too if I had the option. However, Clarisse wasn't presented with this option, she grew up in this society to be as perceptive and quirky as she is. Her insight into this was with her Uncle, and it was an individual process with her family to not conform. Which, in a society like this where everything has "always been this way" so no one goes out of line, is pretty remarkable considering the only push was the people Clarisse was surrounded by. I feel like that is one of the reasons why Montag found her so intriguing and influencial. She didn't need a book to form her personality around. She gave Montag new insight and a deeper think-pan. If he didn't miss her at all, that would be surprising considering how much his life changed and how much he changed after meeting her. -Opinion
2. "You're afraid of making mistakes. Don't be. Mistakes can be profited by. Man, when I was young I shoved my ignorance in people's faces. They beat me with sticks. By the time I was forty my blunt instrument had been honed to a fine cutting point for me. If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn." (104) I think this is fantastic advice because it encourages people to be human. Humans make mistakes and it is okay, they exist so we can learn from them. Life is learning experience and something can be gained from almost every experience, you learn from them and apply them to other situations. As people, this is how we develop, and it' amazing to watch humans grow from learning. If it failed once, try try try again because the only harm that comes in here is the lack of trying, because that is when you begin to fail yourself. You're doorstopping a heck of a lot help and knowledge into your system, which can really harm you as a person later on. I think it's important for people to know that it's okay to make mistakes because that is where we learn best. -Opinion
Discussion Question: How will the book nomads recreate society and how will the go about that? Are they going to start from scratch or are they going to do the same as their previous society? Brainwash others to fit their ideals
1. pg 100 “I-I,” sobbed Mrs. Phelps “don’t know, don’t know, I just don’t know, oh, oh....” Opinion This is when Montag pulls the plug out of the parlor walls and ask his wife and her friends to talk. He starts reading poetry to and Mr.s Phelps loses herself. I believe that this is the first time Mr.s Phelps has ever felt any emotion that is not happy. It also shows how all of her marriages are really just scams and real love. Mr.s Phelps realises this and is extremely sad.
pg 117 “Was it my wife who turned in the alarm?” Beatty nodded. Opinion For Montag's wife to turn in the alarm really showed how it this world of no book and no emotions that nothing is real. It is all people going through the motions. Montag’s wife had no love him, she only liked the parlor walls. Without emotional life is not real.
2. Discussion Question “Why do you think Montag killed Beatty instead of just running?
"Those who don't build must burn." PG. 89 I disagree with this statement because in reality, people have many different jobs like being a teacher, lawyer or firefighter and they don't burn. This quote doesn't really make sense because not that many people who don't build start burning.
Jake wonders: “The mechanical hound slept but did not sleep” P.24
This quote reminded me a lot of my old lazy dog i had as a kid. I could never tell if he was awake or not because he always lied down on the floor and didn’t move much.
“I like like the smell of the old leaves they smell like cinnamon”
I like this quote because it reminds me of the smells and aromas of fall
and the feelings and sensations they bring with them.
What happens to montag after the story ends? Do they ever start reading books again instead of banning them?
Taylor Gray: Page 14 “One of them slid down into your stomach like a black cobra down an echoing well looking for all the old water and the old time gathering there. It drank up the green matter that flowed to the top in a slow boil”.
I thought that this was very vivid because I don’t like snakes. What is the green matter that flowed to the top? I think this response is an opinion.
Pg.15 They shut the machines up tight "were done" his anger did not even touch them they stood with the cigarette smoke curling around their noses and into their eyes with out making them blink or squint. For this type of procedure their work seemed very unprofessional compared to how they would do it in a hospital. (opinion)
pg.34 "Didn't firemen fires prevent rather than stoke them up and get them going"
It's interesting that they used to put out fires (musing) When did they start burning books and why?
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ReplyDeleteI'm not too sure how to do this but the APW said it's a connection or reaction to something in the book so here I go...
ReplyDeletepg. 89: I do agree that "Those that do not build must burn" because if you don't build or burn, your life would feel empty and have no purpose (89). However, it makes me wonder if Faber got the from a book or made it up on the spot.
-Kevin Roberts
*APW RWR Instructions
DeleteI think that some of the items the author described in the story such as headphones weren't invented yet when he wrote it.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the authorities in the book discourage creative thought and so everyone becomes very boring. Or, maybe that was the goal behind the burning of books.
Why doesn't Guy divorce Mildred if he thinks she is so boring and transparent?
Passage from Book (write down) Your Response (Connection, Musing, Opinion)
ReplyDeletePg #: 68
The woman knelt among the books, touching the drenched leather and cardboard, reading the gilt titles with her fingers while her eyes accused Montag. "You can't ever have my books," she said. "You know the law," said Beatty. "Where's your common sense? None of those books agree with each other. You've been locked up here for years with a regular damned Tower of Babel. Snap out of it! The people in those books never lived. Come on now! "
I probably would have been doing something similar had the firemen come to burn down my house. I would not be as hysterical as the woman is but I do love all my books and would not want anyone to harm them. If the firemen came for my books and house I would probably attempt to stand my ground but I would probably give in and leave my house. I would not let myself die with my books.
Type of Response: Connection
Pg #: 96
"That woman, the other night, Millie, you weren't there. You didn't see her face. And Clarisse. You never talked to her. I talked to her. And men like Beatty are afraid of her. I can't understand it. Why should they be so afraid of someone like her? But I kept putting her alongside the firemen in the house last night, and I suddenly realized I didn't like them at all, and I didn't like myself at all any more. And I thought maybe it would be best if the firemen themselves were burnt."
I think that the firemen are afraid of people like Clarisse because they are afraid that people who can think for themselves and people who do not follow all rules have the power to go against the society and try and bring life back the way things were before. Guy begins to realize that life might be better if the firemen are taken down. He is finally starting to think for himself and not just doing what he is told to do.
Type of Response: Musing
One Question:
If someone came to the school and said that we had to burn all books and were no longer allowed to read would you try and save any books before they are burned and risk getting in trouble or would you let the people burn the books?
Type of Question: (Clarifying or Discussion) Discussion
Dena Schertzer
Response - Musing/Opinion
ReplyDeleteP162: “City looks like a heap of baking powder. It’s gone.”
I didn’t really like the ending that much. Or at least it wasn’t what I expected. I didn’t expect that the city would just get destroyed. I though that it would turn out like Montag had hoped, that the city would read books again. However, I guess that perhaps the city could be rebuild and a new society could be built, one that allows the use of books.
Response - Musing
P159: “And Mildred... Get out, run!” (p159)
I thought that it was interesting how Montag still thought of Mildred. Before he said that he didn’t really care what happened to her. And she didn’t seem to be on his side for the book situation.
Question - Discussion Question
What do you think would happen to the society if it were rebuilt? Would books be allowed or would things be the same as before?
-Daniel Phan
I wanted to know, why does the author describe everything so strangely? It took me about half the book to realize whenever he talked about "parlor" or "family" that he meant the television. And at one point in the book he describes Mildred as listening to the humming seashells or something like that, and I still have no idea what that means considering that in this time period headphones weren't invented yet. Is this to make Montag seem a little bit disconnected from the rest of society and technology, is it because that's what society calls it, or is that because he doesn't understand it? I'm really confused.
ReplyDelete-Summer Grampp
Response (connection text to world):
ReplyDelete“Behind him now twenty-million silently baying Hounds, ricocheted across parlors, three cushions shooting from right wall to center wall to left wall, gone, right wall, center wall, left wall, gone!” Page 138.
This passage reminds me a lot of shows such as America’s Most Wanted or when a news channel covers live footage of a manhunt. While it is informative and may help with apprehending the criminal, I think that it serves the same purpose in our world as it does in Montag’s world, as a form of pro-compliance propaganda.
Response: (musing)
”Police suggest entire population in the elm terrace area do as follows: Everyone in every house in every street open a front or rear door or look from the windows. The fugitive cannot escape if everyone in the next minute looks from the house. Ready!”
This passage made me think that the interactive abilities of the parlor were designed by the government to subliminally train its citizens to comply in a situation like this. They get to feel special about being part of an important process without having to do much.
Question (clarifying):
Did the authorities of the city Montag lived in know that the city would be attacked? If so, why didn’t they do anything to stop it?
-Vincent Moore
Response (Connection text- self)
ReplyDeletePage 18 "Milred watched the toast delivered to her plate."
This reminds me of when I was a little lad my mom would bring toast to me, even if I said I wasn't hungry.
Response (Musing)
Page 3 " it was a special pleasure to see things eaten, to see things blackened and changed."
When I first read this opening line into the book I just find it amusing that in just that sentence it explains what the book will be like. Most intro lines I've read were very like setting the scene or in the middle of a scene. I thought it was cool that it was different.
Question: Why would Montag stay with Mildred after the suicide attempts?
-Lilly Connolly
pg.124 "yes, he thought where am I running?"
ReplyDeletetext to self
When I going I need to set a goal to where I am running or where I am going at this point of the book Montag did not know where he was going.
Pg 129 "HE touched the screener in back found it open, slipped in, moved across the porch listening."
text to self
When by brother or sister trying to sneak out of the house this is the image that comes in to my mind, they are always so quiet and never get caught.
One question How many people did Montag kill in the fire?
How are the cops able to trace montags trail?
pg.25
ReplyDeleteConnection
Montag admits that he is highly disturbed by the firemen loosing the mechanical hound on animals, yet he does nothing. Instead "Montag stayed upstairs most nights when this went on." This is a possible metaphor for the societal apathy that would have been required for the government to have removed the books and intellectuals in a Stalinist manner.
pg.164
Opinion
"Montag began walking and after a moment found that the others had fallen in behind him... He was surprised, and moved aside to let Granger pass, but Granger looked at him and nodded him on. Montag went ahead." Only those who would move away from power should ever have it. It is the lasting legacy of President George Washington that only one president has ever served for more than two terms and others have followed Washington's example and declined to run a third time.This has been true even of those who, like Washington, might have ruled for life.
Discussion question: Were the people happier and more content than clarisse, granger, faber, montag,and all those who had embraced intellectualism?
1. "He walked on the track.
ReplyDeleteAnd he was surprised to learn how certain he suddenly was of a single fact he could not prove.
Once, long ago, Clarisse had walked here, where he was walking now." (145)
I feel like this shows how much Montag misses Clarisse, and shows the affect she had on him. She was a different variable to the equation. She somewhat showed him that there was still hope that humans could commincate based off on non-superficial material, unknownst to him at that time. Clarisse was strange, she asked a lot of questions and didn't fit in with the normality of that society, which is okay, personally I don't find that society all too pleasant to conform too if I had the option. However, Clarisse wasn't presented with this option, she grew up in this society to be as perceptive and quirky as she is. Her insight into this was with her Uncle, and it was an individual process with her family to not conform. Which, in a society like this where everything has "always been this way" so no one goes out of line, is pretty remarkable considering the only push was the people Clarisse was surrounded by. I feel like that is one of the reasons why Montag found her so intriguing and influencial. She didn't need a book to form her personality around. She gave Montag new insight and a deeper think-pan. If he didn't miss her at all, that would be surprising considering how much his life changed and how much he changed after meeting her.
-Opinion
2. "You're afraid of making mistakes. Don't be. Mistakes can be profited by. Man, when I was young I shoved my ignorance in people's faces. They beat me with sticks. By the time I was forty my blunt instrument had been honed to a fine cutting point for me. If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn." (104)
I think this is fantastic advice because it encourages people to be human. Humans make mistakes and it is okay, they exist so we can learn from them. Life is learning experience and something can be gained from almost every experience, you learn from them and apply them to other situations. As people, this is how we develop, and it' amazing to watch humans grow from learning. If it failed once, try try try again because the only harm that comes in here is the lack of trying, because that is when you begin to fail yourself. You're doorstopping a heck of a lot help and knowledge into your system, which can really harm you as a person later on. I think it's important for people to know that it's okay to make mistakes because that is where we learn best.
-Opinion
Discussion Question: How will the book nomads recreate society and how will the go about that? Are they going to start from scratch or are they going to do the same as their previous society? Brainwash others to fit their ideals
1. pg 100 “I-I,” sobbed Mrs. Phelps “don’t know, don’t know, I just don’t know, oh, oh....”
ReplyDeleteOpinion
This is when Montag pulls the plug out of the parlor walls and ask his wife and her friends to talk. He starts reading poetry to and Mr.s Phelps loses herself. I believe that this is the first time Mr.s Phelps has ever felt any emotion that is not happy. It also shows how all of her marriages are really just scams and real love. Mr.s Phelps realises this and is extremely sad.
pg 117 “Was it my wife who turned in the alarm?” Beatty nodded.
Opinion
For Montag's wife to turn in the alarm really showed how it this world of no book and no emotions that nothing is real. It is all people going through the motions. Montag’s wife had no love him, she only liked the parlor walls. Without emotional life is not real.
2. Discussion Question
“Why do you think Montag killed Beatty instead of just running?
"Those who don't build must burn." PG. 89
ReplyDeleteI disagree with this statement because in reality, people have many different jobs like being a teacher, lawyer or firefighter and they don't burn. This quote doesn't really make sense because not that many people who don't build start burning.
Does this book have any specific moral to it?
Jake wonders:
ReplyDelete“The mechanical hound slept but did not sleep” P.24
This quote reminded me a lot of my old lazy dog i had as a kid. I could never tell if he was awake or not because he always lied down on the floor and didn’t move much.
“I like like the smell of the old leaves they smell like cinnamon”
I like this quote because it reminds me of the smells and aromas of fall
and the feelings and sensations they bring with them.
What happens to montag after the story ends? Do they ever start reading books again instead of banning them?
Taylor Gray:
ReplyDeletePage 14
“One of them slid down into your stomach like a black cobra down an echoing well looking for all the old water and the old time gathering there. It drank up the green matter that flowed to the top in a slow boil”.
I thought that this was very vivid because I don’t like snakes.
What is the green matter that flowed to the top?
I think this response is an opinion.
Pg.15 They shut the machines up tight "were done" his anger did not even touch them they stood with the cigarette smoke curling around their noses and into their eyes with out making them blink or squint.
ReplyDeleteFor this type of procedure their work seemed very unprofessional compared to how they would do it in a hospital.
(opinion)
pg.34 "Didn't firemen fires prevent rather than stoke them up and get them going"
It's interesting that they used to put out fires
(musing)
When did they start burning books and why?